I can’t view the livestream in full right now. I skimmed it and saw that LE is demanding something like €17K. Is that from every member of the M7?
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He had a translation business. Er....a bit peculiar considering he only speaks one language. I think it was Dijana who did the translating....and Lloyd raked in the cash
That website was bonkers. Anyone with reading comprehension could see that he was pimping out his wife’s translation services and managing her.
Lloyd - Director/President/CEO
Dijana - Head/Lead Translator
Disingenuous way to say “only translator”. He didn’t really make much of an attempt to conceal it either, calling himself a “Croatian language student”.
So someone who’s still learning the language is coming at you as a “Director” of a translation service in the same language.
“JLE Translation Services …. Er Sorry no speak Croatian talk to wife please”
He actually named his Croatian translation service after the only person who couldn’t speak it!
What he did advertise himself as was a professional proofreader with native English fluency. Which anyone on this site with native or learnt high level fluency could do.
In typical Lloyd fashion, he gives details of how others viewed his business practices in his book. He expects the reader to drop all critical thinking and think “JW Elders Bad” and immediately take his side. I think they saw this ogre from Manchester come by and scoop up this shy and timid pioneer girl they knew most if not all of her life and take advantage of her. So this evil elder who moved into the Sisak congregation and had a hard on for Lloyd starts questioning his business practices in farming out translation work to qualified individuals in the KH.
This elder knew precisely what he was up to - giving the JW Croatian translators a small percentage of what he actually pulled in for these jobs, doing the easy work of proofreading it and pocketing the majority. A foreshadowing of what he did with exJW volunteers he never paid.
In related news, I will be opening up a Yiddish language school. Looking for fluent Yiddish teachers, please DM me for details and be prepared to submit your CV complete with references.
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Hi Lloyd, you lurking and downvoting again?
I was going to STFU for another 24 hours, but fuck that…. One of my posts got downvoted.
He probably dropped his kids off and is feeling exceptionally lonely again for the third straight New Year, especially after seeing an unfamiliar car parked where his BMW once sat on a particular driveway in Sisak. What’s your New Year’s Resolution this year Lloyd? I know the last couple didn’t stick with wifey calling out your bullshit and your business closing.
I remember when this asshole was posting here and had a trim British man with a tweed cap as his avatar. Everyone thought he was this classy British man of mystery - he lived in this undisclosed “Eastern European” country with his wife - and ran his own business! He used to brag about how he had a home office and this was before the advent of remote working.
Even after he came out with his real pic people were desperately trying to be nice to him about it.
Lloyd didn’t care about your fucking documentary. He wasn’t involved and so he did everything in his power to downplay and sabotage it, claiming the GB response was scripted long before the protest and he was about to one-up you with Leah Remini. He even started shit on Twitter with Avery Haines, the award winning Canadian investigative reporter who platformed the Warwick protesters.
FYI - Read Avery’s wiki entry and you’ll see what a big deal the W5 doc was.
Or you can read about how the W5 doc won the Dan McArthur Award here:
The W5 documentary had rape and incest victims, and so did the Leah Remini special. But Lloyd’s story he related on Leah’s programme was also “special”.
And what a heart wrenching story that was. The younger Evans wasn’t paid for unsolicited lawn care by the senior Evans. He drove right on by without giving his son the gotcha moment on video he so craved.
Leah - Lloyd isn’t finished. Next he’ll tell you how his dad took his Star Wars toys away because he was playing with himself out in field service.
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This passage from his “Channel Update” two months ago is revealing in the sense of how he portrays his own financial situation:
But all were lies aimed at smearing my character either outright or more surreptitiously by claiming I make (or made) more money through my activism work than is justified, inevitably leading to a huge and ultimately crippling drop in patron support.
People discovered that he wasn’t this struggling family man who was scraping together pennies in order to put food on the table, and in his view, this was the underlying factor of the falling Patreon revenue. Naturally it drills much deeper than that with the misuse of donation funds, but he’s correct in that the facade he put up previously is now gone and people know he’s been doing quite well when he had the grift on full throttle. So much so that two of the ten complaints he listed against the Magnificent Seven are directly related to this:
- 5 - Claims that I was earning a “six-figure salary”
- 7 - Claims that I was earning $3000 per livestream
He has been brought down uncomfortably close to the national average in earnings and he’s finding it necessary to deny himself things in the past would have been easy to come by.
Moving forward, earning at or slightly above the national average is the best case scenario for him for the little work that he does. It will carve out an existence in Zagreb for him but little else. That’s what he’s so angry about and why he had to get out of town for as long as he did.
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Lard I Mean Lloyd Evans Patreoff Pool - January 2024
by DerekMoors inokay people, you know the drill.
give us your best estimate for where jabba the hut's fatter, broker cousin will be with patrons on january 2.. some numbers to consider:.
last september is when he did his beg-fest and peaked at 478. just two months later, early november, he was down to 427. .
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401 as of now, so I’m going with 386.
The trend has changed in the sense that he used to gain some during the month, but he’s currently -8 from his low of 409.
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One month ago he was celebrating 110K subs and you can read all about it on the Community tab of his YT page.
Precisely 2 videos have since been released in that period of then to the present, and now he’s at 111K.
So the beard video has over 2K likes and 36K views, an excellent figure for him and his best since the Aftermath video. That could explain most of the bump, but his Patreon count is at 401.
If you were to accept that he gained 1000 subs in a month, you’d also have to accept that none of them have joined as Patrons. In spite of his YT gains in subs, he has lost 20 patrons since the 110K subs announcement. Yet he gained 1000 YT subs in the same period of time.
Funny math or did he buy subs?
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Then there’s all that claptrap about a mean elder named “Geoffrey” in the Bramham cong. who had a hard on for Lloyd. Little of any of what Lloyd published about that made sense. It was essentially a personality conflict (with Lloyd - surprise!) with Lloyd making a list (sound familiar?) of Geoffrey’s mean traits.
Sounds like yet another elder pissing contest we all have witnessed until Lloyd stated that UK Bethel got involved. Huh? For something like this, the CO solves without Bethel input. They purposely stay away from these kinds of petty disputes.
Not only does “Bethel” come down against Lloyd, but he is stripped of all his responsibilities as an elder, yet remained one.
All because him and Geoffrey did not get on and Lloyd made a list? Doesn’t sound petty to me.
Round the same time the wife finds out he has been sexting again. Then in a curious sequence of events, the wife demands he come clean to the elders. Lloyd disagrees and knowing a bit about how their relationship worked, the only way that I can see that Lloyd would adhere to her terms would be if she threatened to leave him. Perhaps even having the ticket ready and having her shit packed and ready.
So both of them sit on the information for months and arrange for a transfer back to Daddy’s congregation. Lloyd slips a letter of confession and resignation as an elder under a Wilmslow elder’s door and thinks the matter is settled.
For someone who prides himself on knowledge of WT inside and out, this is astoundingly ignorant. A JC is set up. You know that and I know that.
Leaving such a letter indicates a hastiness to get out of town and quick.
What if the sexting incident Dijana discovered and the trouble with “Geoffrey” were somehow related? Whatever happened with Geoffrey wasn’t just a case of personality conflicts. Something happened. Perhaps another matter of sexual malfeasance.
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Yeah, we'll probably never know what the reality was but one thing we DO know for certain - he absolutely did have something to fucking hide otherwise he would have recorded it.
The Lloyd Evans JC of 2013 is like the exJW version of the JFK assassination.
Like the Warren Commission, his stated version makes little sense and has so many plot holes and leads that were never followed.
If Apostasy was discussed during the JC, perhaps it was only one of several issues that the elders had with Lloyd.
Precisely. I’m sure apostasy was one of the reasons he was summoned. But it wasn’t the only reason. Was Lee Harvey Oswald involved in the JFK assassination? Absolutely. But was he the lone gunman, and no one else knew what he was up to? We are meant to believe he was, just as Lloyd Evans was buttering up his audience with tales of apostasy in preparation for his JC.
You really had to be there following him on FB at the time. The initial announcement that he was being summoned was followed by update after update like he was reporting for the BBC.
Would Dijana be summoned too?
Would Lloyd appeal the decision?
How do the in-laws figure into this, and could the poor Evans couple with a child on the way be on the street!?!
Stay tuned!
You know what else happened? Tonnes of messages of solidarity and support, a bunch of “go get ‘em Lloyd, we have your back!!”
It was like the finale of Lost or The Sopranos, everyone wanted to know what happened. And like The Sopranos, Lloyd went to a black screen before the action began.
(Spoiler Alert) Tony Soprano got shot and the Wilmslow incident(s) followed Lloyd into the Sisak JC.
I’m telling you if he recorded that JC it would still be getting views today. He’d be doing livestreams on it on the anniversary dates complete with new commentary.
Why didn’t he record it and just delete the inconvenient parts?
What if comparatively little of it was about the apostasy, enough to make an abridged recording untenable?
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NOOOO, he goes to the Aust. zoo and send M.O'Donnell and J.Ortiz instead
And in typical Lloyd fashion, he admits something up until then no one brought up. Gave away the entire game and reason he was over there by revealing that he took his family to the zoo.
This is why you don’t bring family on “activism” trips. It should have never been funded from local exJWs - not one cent. Arguably the most important interview subject there and he bails.
And he had the nerve to criticise the TTATT crew for delaying the production!
It’s also why you don’t pay for trips for “Fulltime activists”. He had the Patreon tap still running at the time and was essentially getting paid double. When a family goes on a trip, they come back home to a drained bank account.
Not the Evans family! Both of them undoubtedly started thinking of destinations that could double as activism trips. I also remember the proposed caravan trip through huge swaths of America, one zigzagging from Maryland to Dallas - hitting places such as Nashville and Chicago along the way.
That’s what is so glorious about him being exposed. We can’t stop the random idiot giving him money for a trip, but these crowdfunds for trips and other projects are effectively over.
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Has he produced anything that is original research done by himself that wasn't just re-stating what is common opinions among exJWs?
I’d say “read the book” but I don’t want to waste your time. His doctrinal section was literally peppered with quotes from Ray Franz, James Penton, and for more recent reporting, Barb Anderson. I skimmed over most of it. Why?
BECAUSE I HAD ALREADY READ IT IN FRANZ’S/PENTON’S BOOKS AND THROUGH BARB’S AND OTHERS POSTS HERE AND ELSEWHERE.
Now look to how TRA was published and released. That’s right, through the best nation on earth - DONATION.
Almost $21,000 USD.
What are we hearing now from this fountain of knowledge?
How he’s suing people he calls criminals who did nothing more than make commentary on information he disclosed. Listen closely - he’s strongly hinting at possible jail sentences and stiff financial penalties he knows damn well would BANKRUPT several of his targets.
How he needs another holiday (paid for in full by a viewer!) and cannot make his promised Patron calls.
How exJWs are such horrible people when they don’t accept his proven lies as truth. Don’t agree with him? You have the JW MINDSET ®.
But on a positive note he has done a lot of good for the ex JW community
Bullshit.$21,000, homie. Plus all the free family trips and hundreds of thousands of dollars sent his way. Thank you? No, we got a fuck you, he’s spending this money on trafficked women and lies about dating them. We got a bullshit lawsuit he’s still making threats about.
He’s made his living off volunteer work and crowdfunding off exJWs he’s “given up on”. He has nothing but contempt for you. All he’s thinking about is how he can get more of YOUR money so he doesn’t have to work.
NOTHING he does is done out of a spirit of altruism. He deduced very early on that exJWs were by and large a vulnerable people easily charmed out of their money.
A snake oil salesman. A charlatan. A fraud.
You’re being manipulated by even thinking he’s doing good. Talk to anyone who has ever come in his crosshairs about how much “good” he’s doing. It’s all a facade to cover up the real motivation here - profiteering.